A New Name For the Ward of Lore!

[Darkclouded]

I know I'm not an active ward of lore member, only one of my characters is even part of ward of lore and I am trying to avoid annoying anyone further at the moment but... why change the ward of lore's name? A game's history and story are the "lore" of it, as such the ward that makes these interesting RP stories and events is adding to that lore... again I am not trying to anger or annoy people but the name does convey what the ward does.

[Ianodil]

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[Myyah]

Ambassador, I do not believe that there is a any discouragement here. And we all welcome new ideas ! nnI do believe that we should move carefully in making changes. Nyx' history spans for 4.5 years and as Darkclouded pointed out, the Names of the Ward's themselves are part of it's Lore. nnSeveral key points that I would like to have all consider while choosing: nn1. For the sake of Symmetry, either:n a. The Ward of Lore should begin with the appendage "The Ward of __________" (fill in blank with whatever new word is chosen) n b. All Wards Should be renamed, so that there isn't just one Ward that is callled something entirely different than a Ward, and the other 3 remain being called Wards. It would look out of balance in my opinon if there was to be a mix. n c. With the above said, if the template of "Ward of" is being highly considered to be discarded, I would like to see some ideas generated for each Ward! Perhaps 3 or 4 choices for each Ward, to be narrowed to once choice by the Ward itself, and the seal of approval stamped by the Oracles. nn2. As I was trying to convey last night, understand that while your Ward was given the go ahead to create and choose a new name for the Ward, the final authority rests with the 3 Oracles, however they arrive at decisions. They are Oracles to the Lady Nyx Herself... which means that they would be communing with Her to ascertain if this has Her approval. The Lady Nyx has a design that sees further than any of us here, individually or collectively. Her Will be Done. nn3. Understand that there are two mindsets in general: 1. Creative and Progressive and 2. Preservationist and Traditional .. I personally like to see the fusion of both mindsets... so something Creative that sets a new Tradition.... or something Progressive that still preserves something from its past... you get the idea. This subject here will bring discussion and possible controversy.. do not be naive and think that words have no power. The chosing and establishment of new Ward names should convey power , meaning, creativy and tradition. nn4. With the above said, I myself am not entirely happy with the name of my Ward.. Growth & Nourishment. It is cumbersome, and it is often shortened to G&N, which sounds like a grocery store to me (not sure why.. maybe it sounds close to C&H, which is sugar, which is found in a store). So hear me clearly, I am supportive of us looking at new names, but this is a big deal... and should be treated carefully, with consideration for past, present and future. And for these reasons, I would like to see several alternatives that include everything I just spoke of. I am Nightwarder of Growth & Nourishment after all, and the names of each Ward and the spirits and symbolism that empower each of them , flow directly through my Ward. nnnThankee for your consideration, and I simply can't wait for the new ideas!!! n

[Shimmerwind]

Given my drothers, I'd say keep it the Ward of Lore.nnIt fits well, both in-character and out-of-character, I think. Out-of-character, role-players tend to delve much deeper in to the mythology of the game than those who aren't. Our Ward's current moniker seems a fitting reflection of said fascination with the Lore. nnIn-character, it make sense as far as what the guild would require if it were a genuine organization in a genuine world, in very broad strokes. I'd like to state now that this is my interpretation of the Wards, how I have always sort of mentally worked them in to a functional mechanism though a strictly role-play lens. The guild leadership may have an entirely differing view of what each of the Wards actually do from an role-play standpoint. nnLady Nyx has created a powerhouse of wealth, structure, and force in order to serve the Horde, as well as whatever her own shadowy agenda and motivations might be. We're not the largest guild on the server, no the most progressed, but we're clearly a force to be reckoned with -- ask No Mercy Mafia, Kingship, ect. From an entirely realistic, role-play standpoint, an organization that potent needs three things to be successful; strong leadership, delegation of authority and duties, and well-kept infrastructure.nnStrong leadership is obvious, as is the delegation of authority and duties. We have Lady Nyx, who has handled a certain amount of power to the Oracles in her stead, who have thus further empowered a handful of others in the officer chain. Further, the guild itself is divided in to four clear segments, each which (again, looking at this in-character), provide an element of the infrastructure that keeps the organization flowing.nnThe Ward of Trials and the Ward of War, though both a part of the whole sum of the warrior arm of Nyx -- the Lady's own private militia, if you will -- do their duties differently, much in the same fashion that the Army and the Navy function separately, in the same over-all organizational hierarchy of the United States military. nnThe Ward of War defends Horde-controlled territories and defends specifically against the Alliance encroachments in to Horde lands, as well as occasionally pushing in to Alliance territory.nnThe Ward of Trials are specially-trained soldiers meant to take on specific missions in hostile territory to achieve a specific goal, either in defense of Lady Nyx or the Horde itself.nnThe Ward of Growth provides the foundation of the organization infrastructure. Every big organization requires those who do the day-to-day work. The people who farm and gather the food we eat, provide the supplies for the potions we consume, craft the swords we wield. They are our blacksmiths, our artisans, our dedicated number. They might not get the most glory, but without them greasing the wheels, everything else would stall and burn out.nnAnd then us, the Ward of Lore -- the scholars and information gathers. If War and Trials are the militia, and Growth are the laborers, Lore fills out the ancillary, white-collar needs. Accountants, historians, tacticians and the like. Lore also provides intelligence to the tribe; well-educated secret agents, skulking about, chit-chatting to various people, interacting with them, hearing what they have to say, and relaying it back to the tribe. In this fashion, even those characters who are in the Ward of Lore who aren't all that bright are providing to the Ward's purpose -- through the act of role-playing with those they meet, they're gathering knowledge and information about both those whom they are interacting with, their own surrounds, the emotional, spiritual, and political climates of the land, and dozens of other smaller things which they can them pass back to others in the Ward and tribe who can use that knowledge as they will. In fact, Nyx being a particularly smart chick, probably recruited several people of lesser intellect to Lore because -- people open up to those who them consider dim more easily than they do someone they consider shrewd. That makes them clever agents.nnAgain, I'm not saying that's what the Ward specifically are -- the Wards exist, as I understand them, in a nebulous state between role-play convention and real-world function. I'm just saying, in broad strokes, I could easily see how the wards would function in that manner, the same way the military or any big company divides tasks and duties to different departments or specialties. Looking at it in-character from this view-point, the Ward of Lore provides educational skills, a sense of history (without which, as the saying goes, those doomed to repeat it and all that), and covert intelligence. The name "Lore" seems fitting for each of those endeavors.nnTL:DR version: Basharn of the Ward of Lore votes to keep it the Ward of Lore.

[Ginojika]

Personally I agree with DarkClouded and both of the Oracles. I really like being in the "Ward of Lore" However... I also agree with Ianodil... we need a change. Something new to spark interest especially since we have been getting A LOT of new members who have very little interest in or no experience with RolePlay. I understand that is just fine don't get me wrong but I would like to point out that... we are first and for most an RP guild... unless I was lead to believe so wrongfully?nnI don't really know just throwing stuff out there but... when I joined Nyx Lady Lah and Gale tried to make certain I knew this was an RP guild and I don't see that much RPing all the much.. T.TnnNow I'm not saying I dislike my guild. No I love Nyx and will probably never leave it due to the RPers I have met.nnI just wanted to express my concerns and help contribute.nnnnI would also like to submit my suggested name, I like "Ward of Lore" but... >>;; if it does change I'd rather it end up with something I like.nnSo here's my name, lemme know how you like it! ^.^nn"Mist of Dreamers"nn"Ward of Dreams"nnn~Ginojika

[Ianodil]

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[Asarelah]

In the spirit of cooperation I shall add some suggestions, stipulating that I will personally not be in favor of any Ward designation not beginning with “Ward of.”nnWard of :nLOREnFantasynFantasianFancynFablesnParadisenIllusionnVisionnCreativitynInventionnImaginationnImaginingnDaydreamsnnDisclaimer:nIf someone else offered up one of these suggestions already, pardon. No overstep intended, and GMTA.nnFurther, I very much liked some of the other suggestions:nnMyyahnWard of LegendsnnKhatellunWard of the Dark KeepersnWard of Shadow DancersnWard of Umbral KnowledgennGinojikanWard of DreamsnnHowever, none of this means I personally agree that a name change for the Ward of Lore is either necessary or desirable. Further, this topic is under discussion by Senior Officers in the Shadow Annex at this time.nnNyx member Ianodil, while he MAY mean well, is NOT an Officer and does not have the authority to make broad sweeping changes of this nature. This is merely his suggestion - and will be reviewed accordingly by the Senior Officers of the Tribe, then acted upon if the majority agrees.nnviewtopic.php?f=16&t=5354&start=0nAsarelahnPost subject: re:Ward of Lore Name ChangenPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:10 am

[Grethem]

Trials could also do with a rename, if you think about it, we're at war with the lich king as much as the alliance, really meaning that it would all be conglomerated with war.nThe name trials with its meaning, makes it sound as if the ward is going to an instance in a game, not like it's fighting one of the greatest threats to Azeroth.nnI'm pretty indifferent about lore, but I could agree that there are names that would make it make more sense.nThey seem to do more event organizing than lorekeeping.nAnd from an RP stand point, the ward of lore wouldn't really make sense right now, since it's all about RP, which our characters are completely oblivious to.

[Aitana]

I have mixed feelings about the name 'Ward of Lore'. Lore and War sound enough alike when spoken that at times it's a minor confusion and nuisance. It's happened to me more than once that somebody has said the name of one of those two and I thought they said the other. Other than that, I wouldn't mind keeping them as they are.

[Asarelah]

IF any changes occur, keep in mind that space on the in game socials roster is very limited, to place a persons Ward alignment in. So, sadly, if anything is changed, that spacing limitation needs to be kept in mind.